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Eid Festival Around The World - Graphic (I)

The beauty of the Muslim Eid al-Adha festival as it is celebrated around the world:

Of course people have to eat.

But maybe the celebration of this and similarly grisly rituals feeds their blood-thirstiness.

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This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Monday, January 1st, 2007 at 12:13 pm. You can leave a response.

70 Responses to “Eid Festival Around The World - Graphic (I)”

DEZ
January 1st, 2007 at 2:50 pm
Well will PETA have anything to say about this.
And is any one surprised to see a muslim holding a beast’s tail for his buddies?
Oh Akmed, Thats not the end we are working on today, You are such a kidder.
DW
January 1st, 2007 at 3:08 pm
I’d gladly donate a year’s salary to air-freight (and sneak in to the festivities) one proper, pissed-off Yukon grizzly bear.
Skin THIS Pilgrim ! HEE HEE HEE…
SG
January 1st, 2007 at 3:16 pm
From the Wikipedia link:

Eid ul-Adha

…Eid ul-Adha is a concrete affirmation of what the Muslim community ethic means in practice…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eid_ul-Adha

Too true.
nuthingbettertodo
January 1st, 2007 at 3:28 pm
Honing their throat slashing skills for the next infidel.
1sttofight
January 1st, 2007 at 3:28 pm
Uh, DW, Exactly WHO is going to put that Pissed Off Grizzly on the plane?

I would be happy to chip in on the freight, but not on the loading.
Kilmeny
January 1st, 2007 at 3:40 pm
Such a civilised people.
sheehanjihad
January 1st, 2007 at 3:44 pm
The pictures are animals this time…remember…Islam doesnt differentiate between animals and infidels…those could well be photos of call to friday prayer. Notice the blood? Funny, our democrats and liberals havent…unless it was shed by muslims.
DW
January 1st, 2007 at 3:47 pm
Hey DEZ, look at those pictures.
See the animals being dragged to the slaughter by several people? Think they’d have to be dragged if they weren’t afraid?
See the blood? Think the animals can’t smell that? Think they don’t know what’s coming? That’s nothing but an abbatoir without the health code and hygiene restrictions.

I go out once a year (as, I believe, do you) into the wilderness and fire a quick bullet at an animal that may or may not even know that I’m there. For the animal it is over one hell of a lot more quickly (and humanely) than it is for something that is being dragged into a slaughterhouse (soon to be a neatly packaged steak on a piece of styrofoam -which somehow is acceptable to anti-hunters {sorry SG}).

Want to know where PETA is? Up here. chasing my sorry ass -and they don’t even have the decency to send “Pammy” ! They’ll be around to see you soon too, but don’t expect them to go after people who might just butcher them alongside the family camel.
DEZ
January 1st, 2007 at 4:09 pm
Um DW did ya miss my joke?
Oh well, I know fully that Peta dare not say a word from fear of a jihad.
They met me once in the woods, I still feel bad about that horse one was riding.
DW
January 1st, 2007 at 4:13 pm
Just having a rant DEZ.
I haven’t had a good rant here in a while (I knew you were being sarcastic).

1st, I answered your grizzly question in my last post but THE EDIT FUNCTION ISN’T WORKING (grins, ducks). It should be forthcoming (or maybe fifthcoming…).
DEZ
January 1st, 2007 at 4:20 pm
I undersatnd DW, I have been kinda quiet with the hollidays, Most of us have.
So rant away.
Was that bear thing from a movie called Jerimiah Johnson?
doingwhatican
January 1st, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Do they ever celebrate anything in any way at all that doesn’t involve slaughter?

Why not stay with their ritual of “stoning of the devil”?

The barbarism of Islam never ceases to astound and frighten the hell out of me.
DW
January 1st, 2007 at 4:26 pm
Very good DEZ. I salt the occasional post with a movie quote to see if anyone picks up on it.
(this is becoming more and more difficult since I’ve started boycotting a lot of movies and actors myself)
SG
January 1st, 2007 at 4:39 pm
“That’s nothing but an abbatoir without the health code and hygiene restrictions.”

Or the stunning before the slaughter. In fact, ritual slaughter prohibits such stunning. The animal must be conscious as it has its throat slit.

The West has laws about how animals should be killed humanely. Unfortunately, exceptions have been given for religious reasons.
Even so, most halah meat (80%) has been stunned before slaughter.

But that’s not the case here, clearly. This is a celebration of cruelty and death.

Ritual slaughter isn’t even required by the Quaran or the Hadiths. It’s just done out of “tradition.”

One of the first things the Nazis did when they came to power was outlaw “ritual slaughter.” Granted there was some anti-Semitism involved.

But it was the right thing to do.
1sttofight
January 1st, 2007 at 5:40 pm
Can some one tell me the difference between this muslim holiday ritual and an infidel kidnapping?
Looks like the results are the same for both.
AmericanIPA
January 1st, 2007 at 5:55 pm
These fanatics are just searching for something to dominate and violently dispose of. They have animals, their own women, each other, and now they turn to we in the west.

These cavemen are the ones the liberals of the world want to cede their freedoms and lands to. Of course, Katie and Anderson Cooper won’t be showing these terrible photos to any of their viewers. That would be bad publicity for their future masters.
DW
January 1st, 2007 at 5:55 pm
Can some one tell me the difference between this muslim holiday ritual and an infidel kidnapping?

-No horrified widows/parents watching it on the internet.

-PETA is curiously silent rather than being predictably silent.

-No comments from the left saying that the cows/camels/sheep/goats/basset hounds/etc are civilian contractors (their italics -meaning mercenaries) and therefore deserved it.

-Fewer knuckleheads over here watching it on the internet and saying “cool!” as some poor bastard gets his head sawn off.

Other than that -not much 1st.
wirenut
January 1st, 2007 at 8:01 pm
Can’t put my finger on it just yet, but different strokes for different folks. No pun intended. Done some butchering myself over the years. Bleeding out of a carcass is onething, running a large blade into a animal for death is another. The end result is the meat is tough and tastes bad when the animal is under stress before the bleeding, quick kills are good for animal and eater alike. Just one one more reason not to become mooselimb, lack of culinary skills.. So whats up with the ( float the goat) pic’s above?
Kilmeny
January 1st, 2007 at 9:08 pm
My family used to keep pigs and cows, for meat, and there is a huge difference between mercifully quick slaughter and the torture these animals look like they’re going through. I’m more disturbed at their clear lack of sanity and compassion than their culinary skills. No offense, wirenut.
wirenut
January 1st, 2007 at 9:42 pm
Kilmeny… I too have raised food on the hoof for my families use, that’s why I don’t understand the abuse before the animal is slain. Note the hobbling of the animals or the fact that there are large crowds. This only spooks and ticks-off the animal, giving it an off flavor to say the least. Not to mention what it does to the beast. This does look like killing for fun, but I was’nt there and with only the photo’s to go on, whose to know? No offense taken my friend. Taking care of livestock that I knew was going to end up on my plate, only made me take better care of them. Living or dieing.
DEZ
January 1st, 2007 at 9:57 pm
This is how savages look, Completely devoid of compassion, Sympathy or respect.
Morally bankrupt monsters killing and destroying every thing in their path.
Life has no meaning regardless of its form.
Society, Art and education are meaningless.
They choose to live like animals of the lowest form clinging to hate and death as their only scale of
self worth.
Their future mirrors their past, They were savage beasts 1500 years ago and the future is the same.
They seek to bring all things to their level instead of climbing out of prehistoric anarchy.
They are the epitome of self loathing, To lazy and to stupid raise the bar just one more notch.
They hate themselves so much that their own death is the only thing they look forward to bring them happiness.
They create nothing, They better nothing, They add to nothing but despair.
They are the lowest form of life on earth.
They are muslims.
sheehanjihad
January 1st, 2007 at 10:02 pm
They lack what they fear most….humanity.
DEZ
January 1st, 2007 at 10:05 pm
Damn SJ, I did leave that out.
But sadly humanity is above them.
P.S. Did you ever get messeger to work?
wirenut
January 1st, 2007 at 10:24 pm
DEZ, I could not agree more. When was the last mooselimb space-shot, skyscraper, medicine, broom or ink-pen been introduced or has surfaced? Not going to see it but, despair, sweet despair is all I’ve read or seen.
Do not create, but tear down what you find different. Ignorance IS bliss.
sheehanjihad
January 1st, 2007 at 10:32 pm
dez…i taint sher….email yer moniker an lemme see. Actually, my entire computer acts like cindy sheehan….old, used up, worthless shitbox with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I have to get something that doesnt require a chipmunk and a wheel to run it. damn dez, you gotta go to that liberal think tank in Memphis this coming week after next….
wirenut
January 1st, 2007 at 10:41 pm
SJ. Would a fine brandy clear that problem up? Or do you need a orbit washer with a cordless extention cord?
Stop-leak?
Muffler-tape?
BRANDY?
DANEgerus
January 1st, 2007 at 10:46 pm
How fitting that
Saddam was
slaughtered along with the other animals.

Even as the pilgrims of the Hajj symbolically stone ‘Satan’ in Mecca.
Warmonger Infidel
January 1st, 2007 at 10:50 pm
If only they would turn their butchering tools on each other rather than the animals……oh wait….they are the animals.
DEZ
January 1st, 2007 at 11:02 pm
Ok SJ, But my msn messenger is the same as my email.
Thought you said messenger gave your PC fits.
And I dont trust my evil side around a lib think tank, I just might let the water out. LOL.

Wirenut, I am sure you know the old saying. It is easier to destroy than to create.
Muslims do not build aircraft, They just blow em up.
That’s as close as they will ever get to a moon launch.
wirenut
January 1st, 2007 at 11:08 pm
DANE, This coward died unlike the hero the MSM wants us to belive. If this tin-horn bane on the world was what the MSM made him out to be, he would have met his maker in the howler monkey spider hole he was found in. At least Saddam’s boy’s belived “pappy’s” BS. to take a round or two or three or four.
ImNoDhimmi
January 1st, 2007 at 11:19 pm
Dez -

Your remarks are so true. Filthy, bloodthirsty neanderthals. And people protest against the seal hunt in Canada. Where is PETA when they are actually needed?
DEZ
January 1st, 2007 at 11:30 pm
ImNoDhimmi.
I wish I were wrong, I really do.
Unfortunately neanderthals had the courtesy of becoming extinct, And Islam hasn’t.
Oh and I don’t think I have seen you here before.
So welcome to the asylum.
wirenut
January 1st, 2007 at 11:40 pm
Note to self, Sincere apologies to ” Howler monkeys and Spider holes “. I’am sorry, I will not put you and a loser despot dictator in the same sentance.
FUCKMULLAHS
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:56 am
Good to see there are a bunch of people on this blog who actually get it. I sincerely liked what DEZ had to say. Can someone tell me why it is that the west has allowed these filthy neanderthals to disrupt our way of life? What will it take for those in power to understand that the current conflict goes above and beyond “Al-Qaeda”? It’s Islam stupid!
SG
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:19 am
FM, while I heartily agree with your sentiments (and I read your profile about growing up in Iran), I have to ask you to change your ID.
Gil
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:52 am
Animal sacrifices maim 1,400 in Turkey
Sun Dec 31, 2:39 PM ET

ANKARA, Turkey - Over a thousand Turks spent the first day of the Muslim feast of Eid al-Adha in emergency wards on Sunday after stabbing themselves or suffering other injuries while sacrificing startled animals.

At least 1,413 people — referred to as “amateur butchers” by the Turkish media — were treated at hospitals across the country, most suffering cuts to their hands and legs, the Anatolia news agency reported.

Four people were severely injured, crushed under the weight of large animals that fell on top of them, the agency reported. Another person was hurt when a crane used to lift an animal tumbled onto him, the agency said.

Three other people suffered heart attacks and died while trying to restrain animals, CNN-Turk television reported.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200....._sacrifice
Amy P
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:53 am
In the Old Testament, Israelites were required to make similiar sacrifices for atonement for sin (Levitical priests). As sick as this seems, it has a long history….
angryredhen
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:40 am
So, Amy, are you saying that they are Levitical priests? Jews don’t blood sacrifice anymore, do they? They respect the laws of the land. So do Catholics, evangelists, mormons, and every other religion on the planet. I don’t see giving these barbarians a pass in the name of ancient tradition. No logic there. Just because it’s old, doesn’t mean it’s respectable or worthy. The priests also didn’t gather large crowds and have the average citizen partake of the ritual. It was holy and the animal was a symbol of something sacred to them - their redemption. Please watch your comparisons, these people are dangerous, and you do a disservice to minimalize their actions. They would do you and I the same way if they had us in a crowd on a holiday.
Celtic Sword
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:20 am
Amy P:

angryredhen is right. Please, don’t try to justify barbarism by comparing it to some past culture. Just because someone else seemed to do something similar in the past doesn’t justify such horrific behaviour now or ever.

Besides, read the Book, the sacrifices were done humanly and in a single, controlled environment. Not in a mass of savage hysteria wreaked upon any creature available within reach. And, the Isreali sacrifices were pointing to a future, ultimate Sacrifice that will eventually free the world of all immorality (and Islam). The point: immorality & savagery sucks. The blood & death of a holy, ritualistic sacrifice shows us the seriousness of sin. Sorry to have to used that “s” word!

Nowhere did O.T. Scripture condone mass, violent slaughter. Islam is not Jewish.
sueZ
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:02 pm
“Jesus Christ, God’s Son , Savior” According to the Roman Catholic Church, when the bread and wine are consecrated in the Eucharist, they cease to be bread and wine, and become instead the body and blood of Christ.The bread is changed into Jesus’ body, but, because Jesus, risen from the dead, is living, not only his body is present, but Jesus as a whole, body and blood, soul and divinity. The same holds for the wine changed into his blood.How many Christians go to “communion” everyday or sunday???
They believe that they are eating the flesh and drinking the blood of the living God, Jesus. So who is to be condemmed here? Better look yourself in the mirror before you look around you. You are not so innocent.
SG
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:25 pm
“How many Christians go to “communion” everyday or sunday??? They believe that they are eating the flesh and drinking the blood of the living God, Jesus. So who is to be condemmed here? Better look yourself in the mirror before you look around you. You are not so innocent.”

I hope you are joking. If not you could use a brush up on the concept of transubstantiation:

Transubstantiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation

No animals (or humans) are harmed in the process.
Amy P
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:32 pm
The actual sacrifice offered at Eid is a re-enactment of Abraham’s sacrifice of his son (although Islam claims it was Ishmael, not Isaac on the altar). The Jewish roots are indisputable. The sacrifices offered in the tabernacle/temple in ancient Israel were indeed spectacles witnessed by the entire assembly - that was the point. The people were witnesses to the innocent dying for the guilty - the point of the Levitical sacrificial system - in order to point them to the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 (the Messiah).

AngryredHen is mistaken. The reason the Jews do not offer sacrifices is because they have no place to do it in accordance with the Law of God, which stipulates it must be done only in Jerusalem, and only at the temple, which has not existed since 70 AD when Titus the Roman Governor destroyed it less than 40 years after the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth. The type of Judaism now practiced by observant Jews is known as “Rabbinical Judaism”, which is to say, contingency Judaism, because the People of Israel cannot offer sacrifices. Even if they could, God would reject them because the One sacrifice for all men and all time has already been made - Jesus of Nazareth. The Jewish faith clearly calls for blood sacrifice: “Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin” - Leviticus 17:11.

The destruction of the temple in 70 AD was a consequence of the rejection of the Son of David (Isaiah 65). The temple will be rebuilt again and exploited by the AntiChrist with the Jewish nation’s complicity. At that time, the Messiah will return and deliver Israel, and they “will look upon me whom they have pierced, and mourn as one mourns for an only son” (Zechariah 14).

Happy New Year.
SG
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:40 pm
“The actual sacrifice offered at Eid is a re-enactment of Abraham’s sacrifice of his son (although Islam claims it was Ishmael, not Isaac on the altar). The Jewish roots are indisputable.”

I am against “ritual slaughter” no matter who practices it — as is most of the civilized world. It is cruel and inhumane under the best circumstances (i.e., in a controlled environment, done by experts).

Allowing, even encouraging, everyone to take a whack at it is barbarous and savagery at its worst. These photos show that even the rules of Halah are not being followed. It’s just blood sport.

“Ritual slaughter” has been outlawed in most Western countries:

Bans on ritual slaughter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B....._slaughter

And even in the Middle East 80% of “halal” meat is no longer ritual slaughtered without any prior stunning of the animal — which is the most horrendous aspect of it.

Unfortunately, as the Wikipedia article notes, some countries (including the UK) and some US states have allowed exemptions to Jews and Muslims on freedom of religion grounds.

This is preposterous given that neither the Quaran nor Hadiths require it. “Ritual slaughter” is just a barbaric tradition that caught on.

There are movements to do away with it altogether. And even some Muslims are trying to end this senselessly savage practice:

Islamic Concern: Sacrifice
http://www.islamicconcerns.com/sacrifice.asp
DW
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:51 pm
Let me get this straight.
On matters like same-sex marriage, the church is outdated and needs to adapt to modern times.
But when Muslims subject defenseless animals to a cruel death, they get a pass because it’s part of their religion.
Am I missing something here?
SG
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:57 pm
Good point, DW. In fact, the stoning of adulterers (and maybe homosexuals) has more Quranic and Biblical authority than “ritual slaughter” — which in truth has none.

And yet that seems to be frowned upon.
Kilmeny
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:03 pm
I’d like to think that the real reason Jews no longer offer sacrifices is because they recognise that it’s a thing that has no place in civilised society and is a practice best left in antiquity, not just because they no longer have a place to do it in.
SG
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:09 pm
Wikipedia (which knows all) has a pretty thorough entry on Jewish animal sacrifices aka Korban:

Korban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korban
Amy P
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:09 pm
What struck me as I initially saw these images was the knee jerk reaction to overreact. If photos of the average slaughter house were posted here I wonder if the reaction would be as intense. The meat of the animals is eaten. I hoped to provide some context.

This is not to say I defend Islam. I do not. I believe it to be a theologically incorrect religion at best (trying to be kind here). I do think there are many errors non-Muslims make about Islam that are detrimental to winning the war on terror.

About transubstantiation, SG is correct. It’s interesting to point out, too, that in Jesus’ very controversial discourse in the gospel of John 6, the “Truly, truly I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. He who easts My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life….” (vs. 53-58, etc.), He was speaking literally. So much so that He lost the majority of His followers at this point. In John 6: 60-65, Jesus spent time trying to explain further because He saw they were very disturbed by His sayings, since it sounded as if He were describing cannibalism.

Vs. 66 reads: “As a result of this, many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore.”
67: “Jesus said to the twelve, ‘You do not want to go away also, do you?’ ”
68: “Simon Peter answered Him, ‘Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.’ “
SG
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:13 pm
“What struck me as I initially saw these images was the knee jerk reaction to overreact. If photos of the average slaughter house were posted here I wonder if the reaction would be as intense. The meat of the animals is eaten. I hoped to provide some context.”

Do you realize that by law animals are stunned (by various means) before they are then quickly killed in slaughter houses?

There is a world of difference between that and cutting their throats haphazardly and having them bleed to death while people watch and cheer.
SG
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:14 pm
“I do think there are many errors non-Muslims make about Islam that are detrimental to winning the war on terror.”

Name some of them.
Amy P
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:16 pm
Kilmeny, I’m sure you would like to think that but it simply isn’t the case. If anything, Muslims are acting more closely to the example of Abraham and Moses than the Jewish people are (in this respect only). No where in Torah are they commanded to stop sacrificing. Theologically speaking, they have missed the Messiah and should continue sacrifices but because of the destruction of the temple and the Diaspora they are simply unable to. Since the official return to their homeland in 1947, your assertion that animal sacrifice as atonement for sin is “a thing that has no place in civilized society and is a practice best left in antiquity” is undoubtedly the reason why it does not continue.
Kilmeny
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:21 pm
Theologically speaking, I don’t believe in a God that would accept the maiming and torture of innocent animals and the obvious bloodthirsty glee displayed during their killing just because they haven’t been formally commanded to stop sacrificing. We are supposed to be better than that now.
SG
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:32 pm
K, even when the Jews were still doing animal sacrifices 2,000 years ago, they were done under much more controlled circumstances (in a temple by priests/rabbis) and with much more humanity than what we see in those photos.

The (wrongheaded) belief is that if the carotid artery is severed properly, the animal will feel no pain as it bleeds to death.

The Jewish priests/rabbis who did the act were at least practiced enough to have a chance to get it right. Even if their science was wrong.

Twenty centuries later, the people in the photos are not bothered with such niceties.
1sttofight
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:39 pm
Backi when I was young, we had a hog killing every fall after the first frost. The selected hogs were isolated from the rest, shot between the eyes with a .22 and fell dead to the ground. Then quickly hoisted up by the back feet onto an A-frame, their neck artery was cut and they bled out in about 5-10 minutes.
After that they were scrapped, disembowled and butchered.
Nothing like fresh tenderloin. The fat was cut off and boiled to make lard and cracklings.
The hog never felt a thing.
SG
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:45 pm
The thinking behind not shooting (or otherwise stunning the animal) in Judaic law is based on the strictures against eating blood and sinews, etc. (Cf. Shakespeare’s “Merchant Of Venice” and the pound of flesh conundrum.)

So it is very important for the heart to keep beating, to pump the blood out. Even though the animal would still be hoisted.

Islam just glommed onto this tradition as they have with many other Jewish customs, such as praying to Jerusalem, then changed to Mecca.

You can tell from the photos they are not getting out all of the blood of the animals, since they haven’t been hoisted, etc.

It’s just butchery in the worst sense.
1sttofight
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:53 pm
Is islam an off shoot of Judiaism? As in Cane and Able?

They do seem to have a whole lot of things in common.
SG
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:58 pm
I’d say it is more like just a grafting onto Judaism, with just a dash of the Arab animism that was lying around.

Mostly, I’d say it’s a peronality cult that got out of hand. But I’m no Islamic scholar.

Again, Wikipedia has a pretty good write-up on Islam, though it is almost too kind:

Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
1sttofight
January 2nd, 2007 at 3:06 pm
That is what I am talking about. There are so many simularities between them. If they are so much alike why do they hate each other?

It seems all muslims hate Jews, yet sunnis and shiites(both muslim) hate each other just as much.
I agree with you it is a screwed up bunch of wacko’s.
SG
January 2nd, 2007 at 3:33 pm
Since Muhammed just grafted Islam on to Christianity and Judaism he assumed that the Christians and Jews would automatically accept his “revelations” and declare him the latest prophet of Allah.

When they didn’t he got steamed and turned away from them. — Literally. That’s when he stopped having Muslims pray towards Jerusalem.

And this is when the tone of the verses in the Koran changed from talking about the “people of the book” to “kill the infidels.”

Muhammed basically declared war on “the people of the book” for having rejected him.

And the rest is history.
sheehanjihad
January 2nd, 2007 at 5:02 pm
Regardless of whatever happens, which terror group gets to nuke the west first, ect ect ect…..the sunnis and the shiites will keep killing each other until there is only one person left….and if we are lucky, he will die in a suicide bombing trying to kill the only other lunatic left on the other side. They dont need to be on the world scene….and trust me. If there was no oil in the middle east….Islam would be something we read about or heard about and we would wonder aloud who the hell those maniacs were. They will eventually eradicate themselves… they dont know that pushing nuclear powers only goes so far….especially when you have one…and they have thousands. Stupidity doesnt begin to describe these appallingly ignorant jerks.
angryredhen
January 2nd, 2007 at 6:20 pm
Sorry guys, my religion doesn’t transubstantiate anything into some perverse cannibalistic tribute to the savior. The bread and water are emblems of the sacrifice of Christ that fulfilled the law of Moses, since that is what those jewish animal sacrifices were supposed to instill in the minds of the people (in my theology). And sorry, Amy, I don’t envision any such sacred ceremony like that of the ancient jews taking place like this disgusting ritual. Again, to compare the two is to elevate barbarism and demote something that was once sacred. Islam is not a branch of Judaism, it’s just that Abraham is a key figure in Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. And I don’t care if the muslims think Abraham was going to sacrifice Bozo the Clown - he DIDN’T sacrifice his son, ergo, there is not an act to RE-enact, so where’s the logic? And to say that this is the same as what goes on in the small town where I lived for 20 years (the site of a recent immigration sting, I might add) is ridiculous. As a culture, we wouldn’t grab the family and go running off to the slaughterhouse to see the blood and gore. It is isolated, and done as humanely as possible - stunning a part of each animal’s experience. I mostly object to the twisty turns and comparisons that try to make this vulgar display seem normal. Modern jews aren’t clamoring to institute blood sacrifice, whether the PC crowd wants it or not.
fluffy
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:10 pm
They believe that they are eating the flesh and drinking the blood of the living God, Jesus.

Yes, they do. Some denominations, like mine, believe they are commemorating His death. Is that grisly?

So who is to be condemmed here?

Not the believing Christian. He came into the world not to condemn it, but that through Him the world might be saved. John 3:17

Better look yourself in the mirror before you look around you.

Yes, I was taught that one should reflect before taking communion.

You are not so innocent.

See, that is what Jesus’ sacrifice was all about. Are you really going to make me drag out my Bible and start thumping?
DEZ
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:36 pm
There are numerous religious and age old traditions that are better left unpracticed.
Like female genital mutilation, Cannibalism, Slavery. Child molestation and ritualistic murder to name a few.
I don’t care if somebody prays to a sun god and does a dance around a tree full of turd tossing monkeys, That’s harmless enough.
But if someone or group acts like barbarians I am going to label them barbarians.
We can argue all day about perfection as a person, It wont do a bit of good.
But I can go to bed tonight after looking in the mirror and know I didn’t torture anything for self amusement.
I was raised better than that, And I do not wanna hear about its not my right to judge.
I will judge on this blue planet, All men must. Its Gods job to sort them out later.
Besides the beam in my eye makes a real good tatering stick once removed.
SG
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:11 pm
I forgot to mention that the Eid festival is not the only time when ritual sacrifices are called for under Islam.

When a child is born the father (or family) is expected to riturally slaughter a sheep — or two sheep if it is a boy.

Since boys are twice as valuable as girls.
groovygrl
January 3rd, 2007 at 1:08 pm
I have to agree with Amy a bit here. While not widely “preached” the intent for the Jewish people to start blood sacrificing again in the temple in Jerusalem. It is also one of the signs of the end times. There is a whole theological reason for it. Our modern view of a warm and fuzzy God is NOT substantiated with Old Testament stories. The Old Testament is full of bloody stories and some of the gore was mandated by God.
SG
January 4th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
There is a piece on this same subject in today’s Wall Street Journal:

Ritual Sacrifice? Not on My Street, Some Belgians Say

By Mary Jacoby

BRUSSELS — At a slaughterhouse here last week, Mohamed Mimoun wrestled a sheep between his legs and took a number. He gasped: It was a two-hour wait to sacrifice his animal for Eid al-Adha, an important Islamic religious festival.

“I should have done this at home, like everyone else,” he moaned.

That would have saved Mr. Mimoun a long wait in drenching rain, but it would have been against the law. Killing an animal at home to eat it is legal in Belgium. But a 1988 law expressly forbids the ritual slaughter of animals at home.

Living cheek by jowl in Brussels with the many bureaucrats who run the European Union, Muslims in the city turned an estimated 25,000 sheep toward Mecca this year and cut their throats to celebrate the story of Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice his son to God. Eid al-Adha commemorates God’s reprieve which allowed Abraham to kill a ram instead of his son. While some, like Mr. Mimoun, head to official slaughterhouses, many Muslims, fearing long waits, kill their sheep illegally in their backyards and basements instead.

Whether at a slaughterhouse or at home, the practice raises the ire of animal-rights activists. For years, they have held anguished protests against the manner in which the sheep are slaughtered, arguing that the sheep should be stunned first to lessen their pain. “It’s not normal to have thousands of sheep slaughtered like this in the middle of a major European city,” says Ann De Greef, a Belgian animal-rights campaigner.

On his way to the slaughterhouse, Mr. Mimoun was fined by a policewoman for transporting a live sheep in the closed trunk of his Toyota. By law, it should have been in the back seat…

http://tinyurl.com/yeplnw
SG
January 4th, 2007 at 3:39 pm
“The Old Testament is full of bloody stories and some of the gore was mandated by God.”

There is nothing in the OT that prohibits that the animal be stunned first.
SG
January 4th, 2007 at 3:43 pm
From the New Jersey Herald News:

Muslims pick sacrificial animals at Paterson slaughterhouse

Thursday, January 4, 2007

By SACHI FUJIMORI

Slaughterhouses are usually not festive places.

But once a year on the Muslim holiday of Eid ul-Adah, the desolate block outside of ENA Meat Packing in Paterson comes alive as carloads of families line the street.

Owned by two Turkish brothers, ENA Meat Packing is one of the few halal slaughterhouses in the area that opens its doors to customers on the holiday, allowing them to choose their own animal. Customers watch as the animal is sacrificed, a prayer is said in their name and the meat is prepared to be taken home.

Eid ul-Adah, tied to the end of the Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, commemorates the Prophet Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice his first son, Ishmael, to God. At the last minute God spared Ishmael, allowing Abraham to sacrifice a lamb instead. On the holiday, Muslim families purchase a lamb, goat or cow and divide the meat in thirds among family, friends and the poor.

Many customers are immigrants from traditional Muslim countries like Bangladesh or Morocco, which celebrate Eid as a public holiday. Families often perform the ritual sacrifice in their own backyard.

But in the United States, with strict health codes and food safety laws, local Muslims find other ways to celebrate.

At ENA, lambs cost $200 and goats cost $175. But not all families buy directly from a slaughterhouse. Some go to their local butcher. Others choose to donate money to a charity in honor of the holiday.

Housed in two floors beneath the slaughterhouse, in what used to be a bomb shelter, thousands of livestock await their fate.

Helal Ahmed of Paterson stepped onto the sticky dirt floor covering the pen, ready to choose a goat to bring home to his family.

As the goats crammed into a corner, Ahmed quickly settled on a brown one with a reddish hue. One employee held the goat by its horns as another spray-painted “93″ in large green numerals on its coat, which would be used to identify it later.

Moments earlier, in a neighboring pen, Cevat Degirmenci of Long Branch had chosen a large gray lamb with a shiny black face. In the corner of the pen sat a lone sheep with an injured leg that would not be chosen this holiday. The only requirement in choosing an animal is that it be healthy.

Later in the day Degirmenci would have friends and family over to his home to share the lamb, which his wife would prepare. According to his Turkish-Muslim tradition, he must share the meat with seven people, he said.

Once the animals are chosen they are led to a slaughtering room, where a Muslim employee slits their throats. A prayer is said in the customer’s name.

“In the name of Allah. Allah is the greatest,” is recited.

The ritual is meant to symbolize a Muslim’s willingness to sacrifice anything to Allah’s wishes.

The blood is drained from the animal for about 15 minutes. Then the customers, almost all Muslim men, gather on the main slaughter room floor as they watch their numbered animals prepared to be brought home.

Last Sunday morning, Safil Kabir, 17, of Paterson waited outside the slaughterhouse with his two cousins. The younger cousin, just 3 years old, was too young to witness the ritual.

Kabir said Eid is different in his country, Bangladesh, where the entire nation shuts down for four days. Everyone goes out shopping and people hug family and friends in the street, he said. The ritual is more of a family affair there, he said. The men hold down a cow, tie its legs and slit its throat with a traditional knife shaped like a machete, he said.

“Over here they just hang it and kill it,” Kabir said.

“It’s more fun in our country,” added his elder cousin, Ahsanul Kabir.

http://tinyurl.com/yko53v
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